News of the Day III

[ChaseSpace]

Yep, it’s supposed to incentivize people to get the vaccine I guess but common sense says the people who haven’t tried to get it yet will feel even less inclined to get it now. Now if vaccine passports/proof were also required at entertainment hubs than this would be a great push towards herd immunity, but there are way too many selfish pricks in this country to be inconvenienced with that

But vaccine passports infringe on my rights to spread contagions to the libs!!!!

[nutznboltz]

It's reverse psychology and it's apparently working

https://theweek.com/speedreads/982261/antivax-conspiracy-theory-apparently-making-antimaskers-consider-masking-social-distancing

[Hoek]

I think it's important to distinguish between people who haven't gotten the vaccine because they were undecided and people who are rabid anti-vaxxers, the latter of which are obviously noisier but not necessarily the majority of those who haven't been vaccinated yet. A common refrain among the undecided was "what's the point of getting the shot if I still have to wear a mask? does that mean the vaccine doesn't work?" this just answered that question and hopefully gives a chunk of them the nudge.

Besides that however, there does seem to be science behind this (I'm seeing plenty of other public health and epidemiologists back this up), so perhaps it's really just following the science. Personally I'm gonna wait a little bit and hope cases drop a bit more before I get too excited about throwing away the mask.

[RSchmitz]

I think it's important to distinguish between people who haven't gotten the vaccine because they were undecided and people who are rabid anti-vaxxers, the latter of which are obviously noisier but not necessarily the majority of those who haven't been vaccinated yet. A common refrain among the undecided was "what's the point of getting the shot if I still have to wear a mask? does that mean the vaccine doesn't work?" this just answered that question and hopefully gives a chunk of them the nudge.

Besides that however, there does seem to be science behind this (I'm seeing plenty of other public health and epidemiologists back this up), so perhaps it's really just following the science. Personally I'm gonna wait a little bit and hope cases drop a bit more before I get too excited about throwing away the mask.

I think the segment of the population who are asking what the point of wearing the mask is if they get the vaccine, are just going to come up with another excuse to not get it now. I'm fine with coming up with new ways to incentivize, but like Bolthed said you can't squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube.

As an added bonus to the insanity teachers have to put up with at the end of the year, I now have students resisting putting masks on their face in class. We have a teacher at school who brought covid home to her husband who died, and that poor lady is having to deal with this.

[Bolthed]

And they can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube if this announcement results in a vaccine demand dropping off a cliff. I dunno, maybe that’s already happened? Maybe this is about as close as we can get to herd immunity in a country so willfully stupid and gleefully soaking in misinformation.

Somebody tell me I’m overreacting.

OK, I may have overreacted.

I’ve read some more stories and listened to some reporting and interviews, and I’m not as angry.

Yes, they are doing this because the science indicates that vaccinated people are safe (some testing has shown 100% safe from getting sick with symptoms).

So the incentive isn’t about mask-wearing at all. It’s about safety. It’s kind of strange, but the non-vaccinated people who are dumb enough to not follow any guidelines that apply to them (not us, the smart people) will eventually get COVID and die or get sick and have antibodies. Yay?

I’m still not certain about this. I still get actually angry when I see turds in Publix not wearing a mask because they can’t be bothered to give a fuck. But I had to remind myself that I trust science, and there are smart, capable scientists behind this decision who are starting to talk about the end of the pandemic.

I think I have been conditioned to be angry and distrust the government after the previous 4 years. It’s like real life merged with Twitter and we have to remember that’s not true. Twitter is a cesspool of primordial humanity, an echo chamber of gutteral screaming.

There are still so many questions, like we’re all waiting (the vaccinated, I mean) for further guideline or for states, local authorities and businesses to make the next round of decisions. It’s just so weird to not wear a mask. I liked not getting a cold or the flu for the last year.

[Puckhead]

A sensible set of conclusions on your part. And it will take a few days, maybe even a couple of weeks , for vaccinated folks to adjust to being maskless. On the non-vax side, my patience and sympathy meter is at zero. Selfishly speaking, I (we) are protected against the ignorant and the arrogant. That they behave foolishly (no vax) is their problem--possibly becoming a long hauler is their problem.

At this point, I could care less for them.

[RSchmitz]

Oh I get it, so it is the equivalent of ripping off the band-aid. If so, I don't like the incongruence between that idea and other mandates, retail/schools/hospitals etc. are going to continue to have to play the role of mask police but now we have a population full of righteous indignation over not having to wear masks.

What I REALLY want to see, if they want to rip off the band-aid, is a countdown. Announce that everyone who hasn't received the vaccination has a week, for instance, to get it before all national restrictions are lifted.

[nutznboltz]

I am fully vaccinated but still plan to wear my mask for the forseeable future. I don't care if I get laughed at or called names in a store, I could give zero [email protected] When I feel it is safe, then I will make my own decision to remove the mask.

[Puckhead]

Oh I get it, so it is the equivalent of ripping off the band-aid. If so, I don't like the incongruence between that idea and other mandates, retail/schools/hospitals etc. are going to continue to have to play the role of mask police but now we have a population full of righteous indignation over not having to wear masks.

What I REALLY want to see, if they want to rip off the band-aid, is a countdown. Announce that everyone who hasn't received the vaccination has a week, for instance, to get it before all national restrictions are lifted.

"righteous indignation"?? Nah. Like I said, where masks are still mandated (travel/hospitals, or even some businesses) I'll wear it.. and I won't act smug or "indignant". And here in Nevada, the gov "mandated" masks for pretty much everywhere, and in Nevada Metros it was almost 100%, including Clark Co (Vegas). However, in Elko, and other more rural environs, it was almost 0%. It was business and gov't run stuff in the urban areas that told us you can't come in without a mask. Nobody got fines or arrested.

Again, give it a couple of weeks and it'll mostly settle out. Folks in Queens NY will still wear but in Cheyenne Wyoming or Elko Nevada, it'll be mask burnings. Fine with me either way. I'm as bulletproof as it gets.

[Flycoon]

A sensible set of conclusions on your part. And it will take a few days, maybe even a couple of weeks , for vaccinated folks to adjust to being maskless. On the non-vax side, my patience and sympathy meter is at zero. Selfishly speaking, I (we) are protected against the ignorant and the arrogant. That they behave foolishly (no vax) is their problem--possibly becoming a long hauler is their problem.

At this point, I could care less for them.

Amen, Brother.

[RSchmitz]

"righteous indignation"?? Nah. Like I said, where masks are still mandated (travel/hospitals, or even some businesses) I'll wear it.. and I won't act smug or "indignant". And here in Nevada, the gov "mandated" masks for pretty much everywhere, and in Nevada Metros it was almost 100%, including Clark Co (Vegas). However, in Elko, and other more rural environs, it was almost 0%. It was business and gov't run stuff in the urban areas that told us you can't come in without a mask. Nobody got fines or arrested.

Again, give it a couple of weeks and it'll mostly settle out. Folks in Queens NY will still wear but in Cheyenne Wyoming or Elko Nevada, it'll be mask burnings. Fine with me either way. I'm as bulletproof as it gets.

Do you work or have worked in any of those job fields I mentioned? I think you are assuming that how you(a considerate human being) will act will be the same way others act, but you should know that there are a ton of people who won't do the right thing.

[Puckhead]

I was going to mention I have the luxury of being selfish in my opinions and behavior, since I’m retired. Our 55+ just outside of Reno is probably 99% vaxd. Even the Trumpers got the jab. I do know there are a lot of people that won’t do the right thing. Unfortunately, you, me, we, can’t do a damn thing about it. And now, because of the vax, I personally don’t have to worry about it.

I’m one of those few people that don’t get all roadraged when some dick pulls into a lane that is backed up, basically “taking cuts”. I just laugh at the moron, knowing that some day some other raged person is either going to get in his grill or cause an accident. Just like the vax, nothing you can do about the reckless driver except protect yourself and stay out of their way. Their behavior will probably catch up with them in some fashion.

[Bolthed]

Good analogy

[jdhebner]

I was going to mention I have the luxury of being selfish in my opinions and behavior, since I’m retired. Our 55+ just outside of Reno is probably 99% vaxd. Even the Trumpers got the jab. I do know there are a lot of people that won’t do the right thing. Unfortunately, you, me, we, can’t do a damn thing about it. And now, because of the vax, I personally don’t have to worry about it.

I’m one of those few people that don’t get all roadraged when some dick pulls into a lane that is backed up, basically “taking cuts”. I just laugh at the moron, knowing that some day some other raged person is either going to get in his grill or cause an accident. Just like the vax, nothing you can do about the reckless driver except protect yourself and stay out of their way. Their behavior will probably catch up with them in some fashion.

Bolding mine. In both cases, innocents get killed and pro disease folks are worse as they can cause far more devastating chain reactions. That's what urinates me off. Fuck them all....

[RSchmitz]

I was going to mention I have the luxury of being selfish in my opinions and behavior, since I’m retired. Our 55+ just outside of Reno is probably 99% vaxd. Even the Trumpers got the jab. I do know there are a lot of people that won’t do the right thing. Unfortunately, you, me, we, can’t do a damn thing about it. And now, because of the vax, I personally don’t have to worry about it.

I’m one of those few people that don’t get all roadraged when some dick pulls into a lane that is backed up, basically “taking cuts”. I just laugh at the moron, knowing that some day some other raged person is either going to get in his grill or cause an accident. Just like the vax, nothing you can do about the reckless driver except protect yourself and stay out of their way. Their behavior will probably catch up with them in some fashion.

That's what we tell ourselves, that karma will catch up to them, but it's often times innocent people doing the right thing that end up paying the price instead. Accepting and living with an outcome I do not think is the same as being indifferent to it. That's the beauty of free speech in a nation of laws, we don't have to just shrug our shoulders.