News of the Day III

[ChaseSpace]

Pour one out for Waiver.

No worries, we'll get an update on how his defense has an iron-tight appeal and will be cleared of all charges and will actually be made mayor of the city because Minnesota fucked up so bad.

Just you wait, man. It's gonna make all the libs cry so hard.

[RSchmitz]

No worries, we'll get an update on how his defense has an iron-tight appeal and will be cleared of all charges and will actually be made mayor of the city because Minnesota fucked up so bad.

Just you wait, man. It's gonna make all the libs cry so hard.

I honestly am surprised that they were able to charge him with second degree murder and get a conviction. Always thought "unintentional" murder was manslaughter or in some states third degree murder.

[Donnie D]

He was convicted on Adolph Hitler's birthday.

[ChaseSpace]

I honestly am surprised that they were able to charge him with second degree murder and get a conviction. Always thought "unintentional" murder was manslaughter or in some states third degree murder.

I did as well but since the police department came out and said everything he did in that event was against rules and procedures that may have led to the elevated charges.

He intended to keep his knee on Floyd's neck/back even after pleas for relief and that's what, I assume, led the jury to seeing it as an intentional act of murder.

[RSchmitz]

I did as well but since the police department came out and said everything he did in that event was against rules and procedures that may have led to the elevated charges.

He intended to keep his knee on Floyd's neck/back even after pleas for relief and that's what, I assume, led the jury to seeing it as an intentional act of murder.

That's the thing, they charged him with "second degree unintentional murder". I thought that unintentional was manslaughter, I did not know such a charge existed. I've seen a lot of crime shows over the year and that was always the deciding factor in going for manslaughter instead of murder. The third degree murder and manslaughter I thought was obvious.

[ChaseSpace]

That's the thing, they charged him with "second degree unintentional murder". I thought that unintentional was manslaughter, I did not know such a charge existed. I've seen a lot of crime shows over the year and that was always the deciding factor in going for manslaughter instead of murder. The third degree murder and manslaughter I thought was obvious.

Maybe the way the law in Minnesota is written allows for something that's unintentional but is egregious enough to fall under a higher charge?

[RSchmitz]

Maybe the way the law in Minnesota is written allows for something that's unintentional but is egregious enough to fall under a higher charge?

Yep that has to be it

[Bolthed]

Where is Waiver? If Pete’s bait won’t entice him out of his bunker, he must be in deep with the Q crazies.

Meanwhile, I’m hopeful Garland’s DOJ is going to report on a trove of racist police history up in Minneapolis.

I still think Defund the Police is an awful slogan, but I support what it means. Right now, I’d be thrilled to take the present momentum and turn it into Demilitarize the Police and Retrain the Police. Look at how that Potter lady murdered Daunte Wright. A 20+ year veteran cop who trained other cops pulls her heavy plastic Taser gun from its holster with her non-dominant hand? That’s a fucking accident??!? I don’t see how in the hell she can defend or even explain her actions.

Right, Waivey?

[Puckhead]

I seem to remember Donnie saying that his past living there showed him the MPD has a lot of “reforming” to do. I believe the head of the PBU/union was also a Trumper.

[BurnTHalO]

That's the thing, they charged him with "second degree unintentional murder". I thought that unintentional was manslaughter, I did not know such a charge existed. I've seen a lot of crime shows over the year and that was always the deciding factor in going for manslaughter instead of murder. The third degree murder and manslaughter I thought was obvious.

The 2nd degree unintentional murder charge completely revolved around assault. It says it was unintentional, but the result of a 3rd degree assault, which is the intentional infliction of substantial bodily harm (this is at least how cnn explains it). Seems like manslaughter is when negligence causes the death, whereas this is that you were committing a violent felony that resulted in death.

[RSchmitz]

The 2nd degree unintentional murder charge completely revolved around assault. It says it was unintentional, but the result of a 3rd degree assault, which is the intentional infliction of substantial bodily harm (this is at least how cnn explains it). Seems like manslaughter is when negligence causes the death, whereas this is that you were committing a violent felony that resulted in death.

I can buy that, but he also got convicted with manslaughter 2 due to negligence as well so I'm trying to wrap my head around how those two charges can coexist. I guess the best explanation is that specifically because he was an officer and wasn't following proper police procedure, that charge works. I guess felony assault doesn't count as proper police procedure huh.

[RSchmitz]

So.... the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting. I am reading/hearing a lot of outrage over this including from the press secretary, but is this just politicizing/piggybacking off of the Chauvin trial? Looks like a tragic but justified shooting to me, but I'm also not the most left leaning guy on here so maybe I am missing something.

[BurnTHalO]

I can buy that, but he also got convicted with manslaughter 2 due to negligence as well so I'm trying to wrap my head around how those two charges can coexist. I guess the best explanation is that specifically because he was an officer and wasn't following proper police procedure, that charge works. I guess felony assault doesn't count as proper police procedure huh.

So yeah, I wasn't sure how all the charges worked together and how he was guilty of all of them together. We need maverick for this part.

[Bolthed]

So.... the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting. I am reading/hearing a lot of outrage over this including from the press secretary, but is this just politicizing/piggybacking off of the Chauvin trial? Looks like a tragic but justified shooting to me, but I'm also not the most left leaning guy on here so maybe I am missing something.

Why shoot the kid four times? Why shoot her at all? Why didn’t the white guy who went on a murderous rampage in Atlanta get shot? Why didn’t Kyle Rittenhouse get shot? Why is a 16 year old black girl with a knife more of a big scary threat than a white boy with an assault rifle?

I'm not saying it’s entirely rational under a microscope, but these are questions that trouble us “lefties.” Maybe it’s not political at all. Maybe it’s just humanitarian

[RSchmitz]

Why shoot the kid four times? Why shoot her at all? Why didn’t the white guy who went on a murderous rampage in Atlanta get shot? Why didn’t Kyle Rittenhouse get shot? Why is a 16 year old black girl with a knife more of a big scary threat than a white boy with an assault rifle?

I'm not saying it’s entirely rational under a microscope, but these are questions that trouble us “lefties.” Maybe it’s not political at all. Maybe it’s just humanitarian

I don’t believe in applying “whataboutism” to determine what is a right and just in this world, I believe individuals should be judged for their individual deeds. This girl had a knife in her hand and mid lunge, would have stabbed another girl who was pinned against a vehicle if not stopped, that is why she was shot. I don’t even understand the counterpoint here, there is a deadly weapon being used in the presence of a cop, should he wait for someone to be murdered to take action? How do you think he should have handled that situation?

I don’t believe how other police officers dealt with Rittenhouse is relevant to this situation. I get people wanting to protest the system, but this officer shouldn’t be a target in that protest when he may have well saved a life