News of the Day III

[Bolthed]

The Democratic Party’s constituency is rioting in the streets, huh? OK. We’re done here.

[RSchmitz]

DD I remember you saying that there would be collateral damage politically from the Minnesota riots and all of the other riots that happened ever since.


Now that you are tallying up that damage, how do you not understand where it is coming from? Saying it is racially motivated is just way out of touch with what police officers are concerned about. What makes more sense, that they're upset that they might be held accountable in that they can't go out and racially profile against blacks, or that they don't want to lose their jobs or that their work environment may be made less secure?

The Democratic Party’s constituency is rioting in the streets, huh? OK. We’re done here.

Right. It’s the Republican voter base that’s rioting in the streets.

Lol

[ChaseSpace]

Right. It’s the Republican voter base that’s rioting in the streets.

Lol

Seeing as how 45% of registered voters didn't vote in 2016 it's a reasonable assumption that the people in the streets are those non-voters who feel their votes won't matter.

[pete]

The vast majority of people who have been protesting have been peaceful. The minority of protestors who have gotten violent or have damaged property are a mixed bag. I cannot sit here will a straight face and tell you none of the are Democrats. I can say that it's not Democratic voters carrying semi-automatic weapons into the protests in order to, essentially, hunt BLM protestors. I can tell you that some of the white supremacists who have showed up at the protests to instigate trouble are not Democratic voters either.

In a sane world where we had non-partisan law enforcement and the rule of law we could count on the AG-USA and the DOJ to investigate such matters with impartiality and we could count on local law enforcement to always do the same. Unfortunately, that's not what we have right now. Barr's a political hack who has shown a willingness to support the propaganda line that all rioting and violence is being done by antifa and anarchist groups even as there's proof white supremacist groups like the Boogaloo Bois are also involved. Likewise, some local law enforcement has betrayed a lack of objectivity too, such as in the case of the young gunman in the Kenosha slaying of two protestors who was allowed to walk away from the scene of the crime, gun in hand, without even having to surrender his firearm.

That's been my biggest frustration in all of this, to be honest. We're not getting the facts because the facts often aren't being investigated objectively because everything's being distorted through the prism of a presidential election season and a POTUS who thinks fomenting chaos in the streets helps him electorally, to the detriment of all Americans.

[RSchmitz]

Seeing as how 45% of registered voters didn't vote in 2016 it's a reasonable assumption that the people in the streets are those non-voters who feel their votes won't matter.

So, is the Democratic Party disavowing the rioters? Let’s go out on a limb and pretend that rioters are unaffiliated, you still have to account for the fact that Democratic led local and state governments have already made strides to defund the police. Again, what’s the real incentive to side with them if you are a police officer? They are speaking with their votes

[pete]

So, is the Democratic Party disavowing the rioters?

Yes, actually.

+ YouTube Video

Skip to the 1:30 mark if you don't want to listen to the whole speech. He's run a similar message in his campaign ads that I've seen here in Georgia.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514738-biden-condemns-rioting-in-new-ad

[RSchmitz]

The vast majority of people who have been protesting have been peaceful. The minority of protestors who have gotten violent or have damaged property are a mixed bag. I cannot sit here will a straight face and tell you none of the are Democrats. I can say that it's not Democratic voters carrying semi-automatic weapons into the protests in order to, essentially, hunt BLM protestors. I can tell you that some of the white supremacists who have showed up at the protests to instigate trouble are not Democratic voters either.

In a sane world where we had non-partisan law enforcement and the rule of law we could count on the AG-USA and the DOJ to investigate such matters with impartiality and we could count on local law enforcement to always do the same. Unfortunately, that's not what we have right now. Barr's a political hack who has shown a willingness to support the propaganda line that all rioting and violence is being done by antifa and anarchist groups even as there's proof white supremacist groups like the Boogaloo Bois are also involved. Likewise, some local law enforcement has betrayed a lack of objectivity too, such as in the case of the young gunman in the Kenosha slaying of two protestors who was allowed to walk away from the scene of the crime, gun in hand, without even having to surrender his firearm.

That's been my biggest frustration in all of this, to be honest. We're not getting the facts because the facts often aren't being investigated objectively because everything's being distorted through the prism of a presidential election season and a POTUS who thinks fomenting chaos in the streets helps him electorally, to the detriment of all Americans.

Lets put rioters aside. Peaceful protestors want to defund the police. It makes sense that police don’t want to support that, how is that not understandable

[pete]

Peaceful protestors want to defund the police.

Peaceful protestors have chosen a dumb slogan for something that, if you could get people to step away from their political tribes, I suspect many law enforcement might agree with (at least some of it) because law enforcement's mission has grown too large to be manageable and we need to rebuild our social services and social safety nets instead of asking law enforcement to be the spackle for all of society's ills (which they are neither trained nor capable of being).

The problem is we're in campaign silly season and dialogue is impossible in campaign silly season.

With that said, as I said, law enforcement's "brand" is not helped on the issue of race relations by 2/3 of law enforcement unions endorsing a brazen racist who has white supremacists like Stephen Miller in his administration. Maybe it's not unexpected, but it's still disappointing and unfortunate.

[RSchmitz]

Yes, actually.

+ YouTube Video

Skip to the 1:30 mark if you don't want to listen to the whole speech. He's run a similar message in his campaign ads that I've seen here in Georgia.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ting-in-new-ad

This is why I will happily vote for him

[RSchmitz]

Peaceful protestors have chosen a dumb slogan for something that, if you could get people to step away from their political tribes, I suspect many law enforcement might agree with (at least some of it) because law enforcement's mission has grown too large to be manageable and we need to rebuild our social services and social safety nets instead of asking law enforcement to be the spackle for all of society's ills (which they are neither trained nor capable of being).

The problem is we're in campaign silly season and dialogue is impossible in campaign silly season.

With that said, as I said, law enforcement's "brand" is not helped on the issue of race relations by 2/3 of law enforcement unions endorsing a brazen racist who has white supremacists like Stephen Miller in his administration. Maybe it's not unexpected, but it's still disappointing and unfortunate.

I think even in the understood version of “defund the police”, you are still looking at police jobs being cut. I don’t think it should be expected for unions to support that

[pete]

I think even in the understood version of “defund the police”, you are still looking at police jobs being cut. I don’t think it should be expected for unions to support that

I don't think there's a specific proposal at this point, so I don't think we can say one way or the other. I do think it's likely a number of armed law enforcement will be retrained to be unarmed peace officers similar to what they have in Canada, for instance. It is possible that, as the mission of law enforcement gets made more focused, yes, the overall number of law enforcement goes down as some monies are reallocated to mental health services, social services, etc. etc.

The police unions have adopted this posture, though, and you see it amplified in right wing media, where they feel their membership has done nothing wrong and they don't need to evolve with the times. There's a defiant petulance to any kind of sane critique about racial inequalities in policing, and it's not healthy. That, hopefully, can change once we're out of presidential campaign season. It's got to change.

[Donnie D]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhVAXZjWsAAapzY?format=jpg&name=900x900

[pete]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhVAXZjW...g&name=900x900

Well played.

[Donnie D]

Stole it from Chad.

[RSchmitz]

I don't think there's a specific proposal at this point, so I don't think we can say one way or the other. I do think it's likely a number of armed law enforcement will be retrained to be unarmed peace officers similar to what they have in Canada, for instance. It is possible that, as the mission of law enforcement gets made more focused, yes, the overall number of law enforcement goes down as some monies are reallocated to mental health services, social services, etc. etc.

The police unions have adopted this posture, though, and you see it amplified in right wing media, where they feel their membership has done nothing wrong and they don't need to evolve with the times. There's a defiant petulance to any kind of sane critique about racial inequalities in policing, and it's not healthy. That, hopefully, can change once we're out of presidential campaign season. It's got to change.

I support a reduction in law enforcement for social workers and anything that can improve the current system, I just don’t expect a union to sign off on anything that reduces jobs(or hints at potentially doing so). That like goes against their entire existence, I don’t feel that is a betrayal