News of the Day III

[Bolthed]

The video looks pretty clear that he didn’t need 7 bullets in the back in order to control the situation. It’s long last time to stop making/accepting racist excuses for police violence and murder.

[Donnie D]

Emerson poll released today has Biden +2

[RSchmitz]

The video looks pretty clear that he didn’t need 7 bullets in the back in order to control the situation. It’s long last time to stop making/accepting racist excuses for police violence and murder.

Look up Ryan Whitaker. Cops ring the door bell and then hide, he answers the door, doesn't see anyone, steps outside with his gun, they jump out, and in the middle of lowering his gun he gets unloaded on into his back. It ain't just a black thing, there are some trigger happy cops. Scary as hell.

[Bolthed]

I hear what you’re saying and I’m not implying anything to YOU when I say that the number of black folk killed by cops is still disproportionate and fucking wrong and a problem we must address in this country. Just can’t have the law being enforced differently for two races. What we have is wholly unacceptable.

[RSchmitz]

I hear what you’re saying and I’m not implying anything to YOU when I say that the number of black folk killed by cops is still disproportionate and fucking wrong and a problem we must address in this country. Just can’t have the law being enforced differently for two races. What we have is wholly unacceptable.

I don't disagree, it's being applied differently in a lot of different cases, most notably against you if you are black.

[pete]

The video looks pretty clear that he didn’t need 7 bullets in the back in order to control the situation. It’s long last time to stop making/accepting racist excuses for police violence and murder.

Correct. There’s no universe in which a police officer should feel threatened enough by a man running AWAY from him to empty half a clip in his back. The coup de grace was having the balls to cuff a man you just paralyzed by shooting him 7 times in the back to the bed in case he was going to walk out on his hands, I guess.

[pete]

Emerson poll released today has Biden +2

Harry Enten weighs in...

These are polls (and none of them are live interview or anything close) that were taken majority after the RNC... Notice in some cases multiple LV screens and etc... The average bounce here looks to be about 2 points to Trump in extraordinarily early data.

https://twitter.com/forecasterenten/status/1300534665720328194?s=21

A two point convention bounce ain’t shit by historic measures.

And the thing is, Biden’s still sitting at pretty much the same polling average (50.2%) in the 538 average as he was a couple of days ago (as I recall). Trump’s convention bounce is consolidating his base, but that only gets him to 45% tops, IMO.

[pete]

Also, Donnie, the micro data isn’t matching the macro data you’re seeing from these recent polls. The district-level polls still show a huge swing to Biden from Clinton’s 2016 benchmarks and here’s another data point:

New @MilitaryTimes survey of active duty troops has absolutely devastating numbers for @realDonaldTrump. The Republican Party has long considered the military as part of its base, but Biden is now leading Trump among servicemembers 43/37.

Compared to the 2016 election, @realDonaldTrump's support within the military has collapsed. Before the last election, Trump led Hillary 41/21. He's currently losing to Biden 43/37. That's a huge shift from Republicans to Democrats.

There's not a lot of good data with which to compare, but this has to be unprecedented for a GOP president: 42% of military service members have a "very unfavorable" view of the commander-in-chief. By contrast, less than a quarter have a "very favorable" view of @realDonaldTrump.

Pretty clear that actions like not saying anything about Russian bounties on troops' heads have consequences

https://twitter.com/bfriedmandc/status/1300435270240739333?s=21

Trump won by the skin of his teeth in 2016. If you’re seeing 8-10 point shifts in suburban districts and you’re seeing a freaking 26 point shift away from him among the military, that’s mortal danger for his campaign.

This is also the moment when the Democrats, if they’re on it, can steal the mantle of being the national security party forever.

[Donnie D]

According to Trump police officer shooting someone in the back 7 times is like missing a putt. You know, you choke some times.

And Biden is the crazy one?

When Laura Ingram has to save you from looking crazy, you know you are in trouble.

[WaiverWire]

Correct. There’s no universe in which a police officer should feel threatened enough by a man running AWAY from him to empty half a clip in his back. The coup de grace was having the balls to cuff a man you just paralyzed by shooting him 7 times in the back to the bed in case he was going to walk out on his hands, I guess.

I know this will not go over well with many here, and I am not saying the officer was in the right or wrong. Many will be saying what the hell are you doing back.

What I am going to say is that officers also have to take into account future possible actions.

The audio has an officer yelling he has a knife before Blake in the doorway of the vehicle. He was then shot and one would think that is how the knife ended up on the floorboard.

Clearly Blake was attempting to get away from the officers. The officer has to be thinking that he can not allow Blake the opportunity to get into the car and speed off. He has to be thinking will Blake harm others with the vehicle. Will the vehicle crash trying to get away. We still do not know if the officers knew that there were children in the car. If they did know it is their duty to protect those children from being injurie by a knife or a reckless driver.

So with that in mind just what do you think the outrage would be if Blake was able to drive off at a high speed, with children in the car, and an accident happened?

[ChaseSpace]

So with that in mind just what do you think the outrage would be if Blake was able to drive off at a high speed, with children in the car, and an accident happened?

Since we're arguing hypothetical couldn't you also ponder what would of happened if they simply let him leave and didn't pursue him in a high speed chase? They knew who he was, what vehicle he was in, and where he lived. They could have gone to pick him up later with the added charge of resisting an officer as a kicker to the charges he was already going to be picked up for.

[WaiverWire]

Since we're arguing hypothetical couldn't you also ponder what would of happened if they simply let him leave and didn't pursue him in a high speed chase? They knew who he was, what vehicle he was in, and where he lived. They could have gone to pick him up later with the added charge of resisting an officer as a kicker to the charges he was already going to be picked up for.

That is 1 option. But officers have to think about possible outcomes based on facts and on training. Many times when one flees in a car it does not matter if there is a "pursuit or not". The person still drives in a reckless manner and innocent people are hurt and many times killed.

And if the officer saw those children in the car and the knife in Blakes hand and ask......is he going to take a child hostage?

These things happen in fractions of second. Not always is the right choice made. Still these are the things you want the officers to think about when they are called.

[ChaseSpace]

And if the officer saw those children in the car and the knife in Blakes hand and ask......is he going to take a child hostage?

An understandable thought to have but if they noticed the children in the car then wouldn't it have made more sense to tackle him away from the vehicle instead of unloading 7 shots in that direction from close range?

The more defenses I hear for the officers in question the more I worry that officers are just trained to shoot first instead of using other options to detain/de-escalate. Which goes back to the loud and numerous voices calling for police reform and better funding for community focused programs.

[Flycoon]

FBI has stats that show those applying for LEO positions test much higher in the sociopath/psychopath end on mental evaluations. Those are rejected; unless they are not. How many are combat veterans who may not be a good fit due to PTSD or other military experience?

I would like to see policing less armed but with the general population armed as they are I just don’t know how feasible that is. The tanks and assault vehicles that were put out of service under the last admin but brought back in Trumps America need to go.

How do you explain/justify the police in Kenosha welcoming armed vigilantes?

Seems caravans from south of the border are dangerous but caravans of armed right wingers driving into Portland are patriots.

Fucked up.

[WaiverWire]

An understandable thought to have but if they noticed the children in the car then wouldn't it have made more sense to tackle him away from the vehicle instead of unloading 7 shots in that direction from close range?

The more defenses I hear for the officers in question the more I worry that officers are just trained to shoot first instead of using other options to detain/de-escalate. Which goes back to the loud and numerous voices calling for police reform and better funding for community focused programs.

You have an officer yelling he has a knife. You had 1 officer that made one last attempt to pull him from the car by his shirt. When that failed he shot.

It does not take but a fraction of a second for Blake to do damage with the knife.

Just throwing this fact out there......if a person has a knife and is within 20-25 feet from another, the person with the knife can attack you before you can draw your weapon and fire. Taught this many times in training and it only sunk in after I was killed once. One of many reasons when interviewing someone we like to try to keep a distances. It is for reaction time.