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  • RSchmitz
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    Apparently Arians said Darden would be returning kicks/punts, I guess it's his job to lose.

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  • Derek28
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    As expected, the Bucs went special teams heavy today. Their 4th round pick (WR - Jaelon Darden) has some pretty impressive highlights and has return ability. He probably replaces Jaydon Mickens as the 6th WR/KR on the roster.

    They drafted a couple linebackers in KJ Britt and Grant Stuard who add depth behind David, White, and Minter and will likely start on special teams if they make the team. They also drafted a corner in Chris Wilcox who has 4.3 speed and good size. I'm guessing he gets an opportunity to be one of the gunners on the punt unit.

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  • Maverick9911
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    Had to log off Twitter as soon as the Trask pick was announced. Whew, the revisionist history was starting to give me a migraine.

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  • Bolthed
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    Most teams carry 9 or 10 offensive linemen. Eight is pretty rare.

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  • Derek28
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    Here's an overview of where the Bucs roster stands right now:

    QB (3): Brady, Trask, and Griffin. Maybe they bring back Gabbert to complete with Griffin for a spot, but that position seems done.

    RB (4): Rojo, Fournette, Bernard, and Vaughn. Seems kind of unlikely that they would carry five backs unless the fifth back could return kicks.

    TE (4): Gronk, Howard, Brate, and Hudson. Seems set.

    WR (5): Evans, Godwin, Brown, Miller, and Johnson. Maybe an addition here, especially if it's someone with returner/gunner ability.

    OL (8): Smith, Marpet, Jensen, Cappa, Wirfs, Stinnie, Wells, and Hainsey. Seems pretty set.

    DL (7 or 8): Gholston, Vea, Suh, Nunez-Roches, McLendon, Davis? O'Connor? Ledbetter?. This seems like a position they could add someone, even it's just a developmental guy to compete with Davis and Ledbetter. O'Connor was a big special teams guy so I'm guessing he makes the team.

    Edge (5): Barrett, JPP, Tryon, Nelson, Gill. Seems pretty set.

    LB (3): David, White, Minter. Got to think they add someone to this group tomorrow.

    CB (5): Davis, Dean, SMB, Cockrell, Miller? Seems like another position that they would add to.

    S (4): Winfield, Whitehead, Edwards, Hagan? Another position that could get an addition.

    Specialists (3) Triner, Pinion, and Succop. Set.

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  • Derek28
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    Looks like Bolthed nailed the Hainsey pick, just a round earlier. I like the selection and versatility. Kind of feels like maybe he could step in the role that Joe Haeg had last season as a jumbo TE, while learning the G/C positions.

    Arians said that the emphasis will be on special teams guys tomorrow. Hopefully we get a real returner.

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  • Derek28
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    I don't hate it. Trask is an Arians type of QB, and he can sit behind Brady for the next couple years and learn.

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  • RSchmitz
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    Bucs draft a QB, Trask from Florida.

    Not sure how to feel about this one

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  • Bolthed
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    I think we go CB then IOL simply because there’s so much depth. But it all comes down to who the scouts like best and whether they make any trades.

    There are a number of linemen I like who could back up the center and guard positions really well and could also grow into a starter eventually. Keep in mind the Bucs love versatility. Here’s my list, which goes into Day 3 prospects ...

    Landon Dickerson
    Quinn Meinerz
    Josh Myers
    Robert Hainsey
    Drew Dalman
    Kendrick Green
    David Moore
    Harry Crider

    I worry about Dickerson’s medicals. You have to. These picks are almost more important for the future than for this season, when these guys will be backups. I don’t think Dickerson is THAT much better that he’s worth the risk. Besides, he’ll probably be selected before we pick, which seems counterintuitive but likely to happen.

    My guy on this list is Hainsey. Started at Notre Dame for 3 seasons, most recently at right tackle but scouts all say he’s a guard who could stick at center. Great size and intangibles.

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  • Bolthed
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    True

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  • RSchmitz
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    I guess I fell asleep for the Darrisaw pick, not going to lie this was hard to stay awake for

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  • Derek28
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    I don't have an issue with the Tryon pick. At the very least, I think he will be solid at setting the edge in the run game right away and could give JPP and Shaq some rest on early downs.

    I like the idea of an IOL and corner for day 2. Landon Dickerson is a big injury red flag, but has first round talent and a ton of experience at several o-line positions. Quinn Meinerz fits the same mold as Cappa and Marpet coming from a small school program.

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  • Bolthed
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    Darrisaw went to the Vikes.

    Tryon is a nice prospect, but he’s raw and needs time and coaching. He should be an instant upgrade over Anthony Nelson as our third edge rusher, and he gives us critical depth at a position where an injury could have really impacted the team’s fortunes. So it’s a good, solid pick that fills our most pressing need for the upcoming season.

    I don’t mind the pick, but he’s a project like every edge rusher in this entire class. He didn’t have refined pass-rushing moves in 2019, and I kinda question why the hell he sat out 2020. But I will happily defer to the Bucs scouting staff here. They clearly wanted to draft an edge, and he was their guy ahead of a handful of guys sure to be selected in the 2nd round.

    IMO the Day 2 mission should be to draft at least one more guy who can win a contributing role this fall. We still have 3-5 spots open on the depth chart in my estimation (although, tbf, we can fill all of them with veterans eager to play for the minimum salary and chase a ring):

    CB - Only 4 on the roster, need a 5th, preferably someone with kick return experience and the ability to rotate with Davis, Dean and Murphy-Bunting who are all still inconsistent, also it’d be nice if this was a higher-end talent who could start in 2022 in case Davis walks

    S - Only 3 on the roster, need a 4th, preferably someone who could start in 2022 in case Whitehead walks

    OT - Only 3 on the roster, need. 4th, preferably someone who would challenge Josh Wells as the first tackle off the bench and in jumbo packages, also wouldn’t hurt if this was a higher-end talent who could possibly start at RT in 2022, pushing Wirfs to LT in the possible but unlikely scenario that the Bucs cut Don Smith in order to free up salary

    IOL - Having 3 good guards on the roster is OK, but with the only viable backup for your center position being your All-Pro left guard, it might be a good idea to draft a guy for depth who might also be groomed to compete for a starting job at G or C down the road

    KR - Don't have one on the roster atm

    There’s enough talent on Day 2 to fill two of these spots, but I’d be mighty tempted to package picks and move up in the 2nd round to get a more talented prospect like CB Tyson Campbell, who looks like he was built in a laboratory. The two OL spots can wait IMO because this draft class had a deep group of Olinemen. We might even get an intriguing guy who can fill one of those spots perfectly with our very late fourth round pick. Or see if we can package our 4th and 5th for another late 3rd. Options, options.

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  • RSchmitz
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    Thought maybe we'd grab Christian Darrisaw to rotate into the OL and groom but Tryon might have the greater immediate impact as a 4th down guy to throw out there with the rest of our beasts.

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  • RSchmitz
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    Stayed up for Joe Tryon

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