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    Just when you thought that USF was going to turn around their basketball program we learn that Mesiello lied on his resume and has been dropped by USF.

    http://tbo.com/sports/colleges/usf-b...ough-20140326/
    Last edited by WaiverWire; 03-26-2014, 01:17 PM.

  • #2
    With as much money as schools pay just to verify the guy they're going to pay a lot of money to you'd think coaches lying on their resumes would be a thing of the past.
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    • #3
      Given it has zero bearing on how they coach, one would think these schools would give a slap on the wrist and move on. Notre Dame would've been so much better off keeping George O'Leary when his resume flap happened it's not even funny. Same thing here. USF may live to regret not pulling the trigger on this hire, because someone else will definitely hire the guy.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by pete View Post
        Given it has zero bearing on how they coach, one would think these schools would give a slap on the wrist and move on. Notre Dame would've been so much better off keeping George O'Leary when his resume flap happened it's not even funny. Same thing here. USF may live to regret not pulling the trigger on this hire, because someone else will definitely hire the guy.
        Was thinking the same thing. But then on the other hand one who lies should never be rewarded as this just sends the wrong message.

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        • #5
          If it has zero bearing on how you coach, then why even bother lying about it?

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          • #6
            I hate the USF athletic department and Judy Genshaft so much. I'm actually 50/50 on the decision not to hire him, since he did lie on his resume, but having an agreement in place before a thorough background check is completed? Just another black eye on a poorly managed school.

            They better end up with a good coach
            If no government system will guarantee a utopia, then our best choice is to look for the least exploitive one

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WaiverWire View Post
              Was thinking the same thing. But then on the other hand one who lies should never be rewarded as this just sends the wrong message.
              Probably a great recruiter.
              I’m a senior. As are Donnie, Puckhead, and JB.

              Who knew?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pete View Post
                Given it has zero bearing on how they coach, one would think these schools would give a slap on the wrist and move on. Notre Dame would've been so much better off keeping George O'Leary when his resume flap happened it's not even funny. Same thing here. USF may live to regret not pulling the trigger on this hire, because someone else will definitely hire the guy.
                This is a public institution. You can't choose to ignore the minimum job requirements for the postion because it is inconvenient.

                If they don't feel that a degree is necessary, they should either take it out of the minimum qualifications OR do what most businesses do, require an educational standard, but allow experience to substitute for some or all of the educational requirement. I mean if John Wooden came back from the dead and wanted to coach your team, would you really care if he even graduated from high school?

                (Notre Dame is a private institution - they can do whatever they please as far as this subject.)
                “Every man who has stepped foot on the moon launched from the Kennedy Space Center, in Florida. Yet, Florida has failed to figure out how to run an election properly — a task simpler than rocket science.”

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                • #9
                  This is a public institution. You can't choose to ignore the minimum job requirements for the postion because it is inconvenient.
                  Yeah, but we know that's a formality. When Georgia Tech recently hired Ted Roof back as their DC, they made the deal with him then posted the job on the internet for a day with job description language about having coaching experience with a BCS DI school, etc etc, just to meet their obligations, and then they signed the deal. But they already knew who they were hiring and they tailored the job description to him.

                  Also, and let's be completely honest about this, it's not like USF is Harvard, Stanford, Notre Dame, or Vanderbilt, academically. It's frickin' USF. Slap the guy on the wrist and force him to take classes over the summer months until he finishes his degree just to send the right message to the kids. But, still, it's USF.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pete View Post
                    Yeah, but we know that's a formality.
                    You obviously don't work for a public agency.
                    “Every man who has stepped foot on the moon launched from the Kennedy Space Center, in Florida. Yet, Florida has failed to figure out how to run an election properly — a task simpler than rocket science.”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Donnie D View Post
                      You obviously don't work for a public agency.
                      Or work for tightly wound micro managers like many on USF's campus. Extremely stressful work environment at all levels.
                      I’m a senior. As are Donnie, Puckhead, and JB.

                      Who knew?

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                      • #12
                        I was going to expand my earlier response to Pete anyway since I wrote the first one in the middlle of the night.

                        Had the individual placed in their resume / application that they attended UK for 4 years, it may have been possible to revise the job description or perhaps even work out a situation by allowing the individual to work towards their degree.

                        But that apparently didn't happen. On his resume / application the individual stated that they had earned a degree. Once the person lies about whether or not they have received their degree, it is game over.

                        There was a comment about this being USF. Yes it's USF, but I'll bet, (and no I don't have scientific proof) that 90% of all American corporations would disqualify an applicant or fire them after they were hired if it is learned that they lied on a resume / application about their degree. We aren't talking about puffing up a resume, we are talking about flat out lying on an objective matter.

                        Where I worked about 15 years ago, the CEO got wind that one of his assistants lied on their resume. They were fired. Everyone in the agency had to prove that they had the degrees claimed in the resume / application and those who couldn't were also dismissed. There was a recent news story where someone reportedly claimed an advanced degree that was not even required for the position. When it turned out that they didn't have the degree, they too were fired.

                        I don't think USF is unusual in eliminating this individual for lying about their degree. And if you read the paper, it looks like his current employer is going to terminate him for lying on his resume with them.

                        This stuff happens with some regularity. The difference is that because it is a highly visible position it is getting ink in the local paper.

                        And there is a reason for being so hard on this issue. If the person is so totally without morals that they would lie about their educational background, is this really a person that you trust to be honest in any of their other dealings with the university? IMO, USF made the right call by eliminating this guy. It may be a black eye for a few weeks, but the potential damage that this guy could do by violating NCAA rules would be far greater. And if he is willing to short cut and lie on his resume, do you really believe that he won't take short cuts when the pressure is really on when he is trying to get some player to USF?
                        “Every man who has stepped foot on the moon launched from the Kennedy Space Center, in Florida. Yet, Florida has failed to figure out how to run an election properly — a task simpler than rocket science.”

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                        • #13
                          And there is a reason for being so hard on this issue. If the person is so totally without morals that they would lie about their educational background, is this really a person that you trust to be honest in any of their other dealings with the university? IMO, USF made the right call by eliminating this guy. It may be a black eye for a few weeks, but the potential damage that this guy could do by violating NCAA rules would be far greater. And if he is willing to short cut and lie on his resume, do you really believe that he won't take short cuts when the pressure is really on when he is trying to get some player to USF?
                          Which is why Auburn University, which goes on probation once every 4-6 years and got caught red-handed paying Cam Newton (and got away with it) was extremely careful in their basketball coaching search and hired... Bruce Pearl.

                          Look, if cheating was really punished by the NCAA, you might have a point. But as Auburn shows us, cheating isn't punished. Not really. The net result is you get rewarded for cheating, which is why they didn't flinch to hire Bruce Pearl.

                          Which is why Louisville welcomed back Bobby Petrino with open arms.

                          Which is why Lane Kiffin got what amounts to a promotion after leaving Tennessee a dumpster fire of recruiting violations and got the USC job and after he left USC instantly got hired by Saban for the most prestigious CFB program in America. And he took noted recruiting cheater Ed Orgeron with him to UT and USC, as if to only further announce to the world his intention to cheat!

                          Again, these schools pretty much tell you up front they're going to cheat, but the economic calculus is such that it's worth it for them, even if they take the slap on the wrist if they get caught.

                          So I return to my previous statement: USF isn't Stanford, Vandy, Harvard, or Notre Dame. Cripes, academically, it isn't even Auburn, not to be mean about it. So I would argue to them that their institutional reputation isn't some gold plated asset they need to protect, and frankly it's probably better economic calculus for them to win and possibly take a hit if NCAA sanctions come (and frankly, a Pitino disciple isn't the same thing as a Calipari disciple in terms of risk of that).

                          And there's another perfect example! Calipari is crooked as the day is long! Everyone knows it. He paid for players at UMASS. He rigged grades for kids at Memphis. What was his punishment? He got one of the 2-3 most prestigious basketball jobs in America! Really, if hiring cheaters was really a bad thing, why do all the top programs do it?

                          Is it right? No. Is it the reality of college sports today? Hell yes.
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                          • #14
                            UNLV coach Dave Rice, a backup guard on the Runnin' Rebels' 1990 national title team who has led his alma mater to three consecutive 20-win seasons, reportedly has been offered the USF job.

                            Recruiting-wise, his 2012 class was ranked seventh nationally by ESPN. Its cornerstone was Cleveland Cavaliers 6-foot-8 rookie Anthony Bennett, first overall pick of last year's NBA Draft. His 2014 class, though currently featuring only two players, is ranked 14th nationally by Rivals.com.
                            “Every man who has stepped foot on the moon launched from the Kennedy Space Center, in Florida. Yet, Florida has failed to figure out how to run an election properly — a task simpler than rocket science.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Donnie D View Post

                              Had the individual placed in their resume / application that they attended UK for 4 years, it may have been possible to revise the job description or perhaps even work out a situation by allowing the individual to work towards their degree.

                              But that apparently didn't happen. On his resume / application the individual stated that they had earned a degree. Once the person lies about whether or not they have received their degree, it is game over.

                              To expand on this, my wife who retired in 07 from the Sheriff's Office as one of their polygraph examiners now has a business and provides pre-employment polygraphs for 6 Florida law enforcement agencies and one fire department. Those seeking employment range from a low level civilian entry position to a candidate for police chief to a child protection investigator and fire fighter. I can tell you without a doubt that when you tell her you were not truthful on your application or that you omitted something from the application you have a ZERO CHANCE of getting the position they were going to offer you. There are no exceptions as all do not care who you are or who you may know.

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