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Prospect Development Stalling?

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  • #16
    I wouldn't say bad, just not improving in development that you would expect. Foote has already crossed the 100 game threshold in the AHL, and you would expect a defenseman of his pedigree to start really dominating at that level. It's hard to tell if it's development or coaching related. I still think he will be a NHL defenseman, maybe as soon as the start of next season.

    I will say that I have been very impressed with Ross Colton every time I watch a Crunch game. Kind of Cirelli like.
    Last edited by Derek28; 01-16-2020, 01:30 PM.


    • #17
      Originally posted by Derek28 View Post
      I will say that I have been very impressed with Ross Colton every time I watch a Crunch game. Kind of Cirelli like.
      I've heard enough. Sign him to an 8 year deal
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      • #18
        Originally posted by RSchmitz View Post
        I've heard enough. Sign him to an 8 year deal
        ehhhhhh Who needs TWO Cirelli's?
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        • #19
          Sent Volkov back down and he promptly has a hatty.
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          • #20
            Seems like the depth arrow for Bolts prospects is pointing up.

            Volkov, Stephen's, Verhaeghe have made me feel better about the pipeline overall. Volkov needs more time in Syracuse, but I think it certainly helps to get a few games here and there to bring him along.

            Cal and Nolan Foote seem like very solid prospects for the future.

            Barre-Boulet, Fourier, Raddysh, Koutchuk, Walker bring NHL potential over time.

            Joseph will really have to show something eye opening if he ever gets to put on the Bolts jersey again...seems like he is a likely trade chip for deadline, though I would imagine his value isn't high, so he wouldn't seem like the driver of any deal.


            • #21
              Don’t be so sure about Joseph’s value. He is definitely still a commodity at 22 years old (about to turn 23) with size, speed and grit. This season is the first time in years that he’s struggled.

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              Joseph had recently turned 18 when he was selected by the Bolts in the 4th round of the 2015 draft. I’m sure Pete can recall what kind of a prospect he was back then, but I remember that he spent the next two years in junior pushing his offensive ceiling higher than originally expected. He went to Syracuse with a reputation for defensive acumen and had a very good first season as a 20-year-old pro, again putting up more offense than had been expected. Then last year as a 21-year-old rookie, we saw a well-rounded two way player with enough flashes of offense – using his speed to surprise defenders, deploying a sneaky wrister, showing the size and toughness to cycle effectively – enough flashes of offense to imagine he might develop into more than a lower-line defensive forward, maybe chart a course to middle-six status the way Cirelli has.

              You don’t toss all of that just because he’s taken a step back in his sophomore campaign. I doubt we see JBB sell low, so either we get fair value for a very young forward with a very good resume and very good potential or we hold onto him. There’s no urgency to make a decision this year.
              Last edited by Bolthed; 01-19-2020, 02:48 PM.
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              • #22
                It will be interesting to see how everything is handled. We are going to need cheap depth forwards with the cap situation, but it's hard to see where the room for all these guys will be.

                Forward prospects that will need to be on the NHL roster next season or put on waivers: Verhaeghe, Stephens, Joseph, Volkov, and Yan

                Forward prospects that will need to be on the NHL roster the following season or put on waivers: Colton, Barre-Boulet, Raddysh, Katchouk, Somppi

                Obviously some of these guys won't make the NHL, but it might make some sense to move a couple of these guys for a young/cheap defenseman at some point.


                • #23
                  With that being said, Joseph needs to show something quickly because Stephen's, Vehaughe and Volkov seem to be passing him by. I'm not sure of the reason for his regression, but at some point you have to move on from a player even if it means getting less value then what you think he could or should be worth. If he is or was that good, he needs to show it...

                  We got a 4th for Erne, which is basically the first pick in the 4th round and he was showing more at the time then Joseph, I cant see Joseph's value being better then that. Maybe Yzerman will come calling, but I'm sure would say he got hosed on the Erne deal so he wants him on the cheap..


                  • #24
                    RFAs usually stay put. Joseph still a great prospect with good attitude. Like Volkov penalties got him in trouble.


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dmaxf9 View Post
                      RFAs usually stay put. Joseph still a great prospect with good attitude. Like Volkov penalties got him in trouble.
                      It seems to me like a numbers game...They cannot protect everyone

                      Stephen's, Verhaeghe, Volkov and they all make the NHL roster and avoid waivers? I'm guessing not. move some and make the best deals you can...

                      Again, kinda like Erne last year. It's just the way it is.


                      • #26
                        The Athletic has the Lightning prospect pool ranked #19.

                        Their top 4 includes Boulet, N Foote, C Foote and Volkov

                        The big upward differences between the June BP rankings are Alnefelt (based on his world junior play) and Cajkovic who they both have ranked higher.

                        The guy they have much lower than BP is Katchouk.

                        We should be seeing a new mid season ranking from BP shortly. Right?
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                        • #27
                          Yeah, we really need to get back to working on those. We had compiled prelim rankings from 2 out of the 3 and never finished and published them. We need to do midterms or finals at some point here.
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