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  • BurnTHalO
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    I think it's a fair question about why we have wasted picks on multiple guys with locker room/coaching issues, but they certainly arent because of tampa (as has been seen in what they have done elsewhere). But I'm not going to lose my mind over it. My only worry is I expected ingram to be the cheap backup in 2 years.

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  • dannybolt
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    Originally posted by KuchieMonster View Post
    Why does such a successful organization have so much trouble with guys? Drouin, Deangelo and now Ingram. These guys go to other organizations and we don't hear a peep about issues.
    Having thought about this a little bit more, I think I would flip your statement on its head: The Lightning are such a successful organization precisely because they don't keep problem children in the organization. Once they realized DeAngelo was DeAngelo, he was gone. Once Drouin let management know he wanted to be paid like a star, before he earned it, he was gone.

    I think they are an organization that is team first, which you can see from the deals that Stamkos, Hedman, and Kucherov signed, as well as from the low turnover in the roster over the last few years. DeAngelo and Drouin are me first guys. Not team first. I think the Lightning took both for their skill, hoping that being in a strong organization could dampen their worst instincts. My hunch is that you won't see those high risk-high reward picks as much going forward.

    Whether or not any of the above applies to Ingram is anyone's guess.
    Last edited by dannybolt; 03-23-2019, 10:46 PM.

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  • KuchieMonster
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    Originally posted by dannybolt View Post
    What are you on about? So much trouble with guys? Seriously?

    DeAngelo had issues in Arizona, who shipped him to NYR, who have shuttled him back and forth from the AHL last season and he is now apparently wearing out his welcome as their coach has made him a healthy scratch multiple times this season.

    Drouin wanted to be treated as a star without ever having earned his stripes. Now he is "the guy" in Montreal, but his on ice performance hasn't matched the Montreal hyped expectations. He's not in the A, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to win a Messier award. Frankly, his totals were always going to be depressed because he is setting up guys with far less finishing ability than our roster.
    I guess it's more of what is wrong with these guys where they can't just fall in line and play hockey. They get the chance to play for a winner and live in a great place to be for the winter months. They also are probably losing out on money because you play for us, you are gonna get the best out of yourself.

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  • Hoek
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    Yeah so far the guys we've had issues with have had issues everywhere else. Montreal fans have the same complaints about Drouin that we've had. The team won't do much to him because they already committed too much money and talent in acquiring him to admit a mistake, plus him being French Canadian.

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  • dannybolt
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    Originally posted by KuchieMonster View Post
    Why does such a successful organization have so much trouble with guys? Drouin, Deangelo and now Ingram. These guys go to other organizations and we don't hear a peep about issues.
    What are you on about? So much trouble with guys? Seriously?

    DeAngelo had issues in Arizona, who shipped him to NYR, who have shuttled him back and forth from the AHL last season and he is now apparently wearing out his welcome as their coach has made him a healthy scratch multiple times this season.

    Drouin wanted to be treated as a star without ever having earned his stripes. Now he is "the guy" in Montreal, but his on ice performance hasn't matched the Montreal hyped expectations. He's not in the A, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to win a Messier award. Frankly, his totals were always going to be depressed because he is setting up guys with far less finishing ability than our roster.
    Last edited by dannybolt; 03-23-2019, 07:49 PM.

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  • Donnie D
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    Originally posted by KuchieMonster View Post
    Why does such a successful organization have so much trouble with guys? Drouin, Deangelo and now Ingram. These guys go to other organizations and we don't hear a peep about issues.
    You are joking, right?

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  • pete
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    It's not like Tampa Bay is Ottawa.

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  • KuchieMonster
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    Why does such a successful organization have so much trouble with guys? Drouin, Deangelo and now Ingram. These guys go to other organizations and we don't hear a peep about issues.

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  • pete
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    Originally posted by The Great Zo View Post
    Syracuse has signed goalie Atte Tolvanen for the rest of the season. He just finished four years at Northern Michigan University.
    Brother of Eeli Tolvanen from the Nashville organization, who was a first round pick and is a very good goal scorer. Hopefully Atte turns out to be Tony to Eeli's Phil.

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  • Derek28
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    Originally posted by pete View Post
    I don't have any inside information, but from the outside it appears he did something to violate the trust of his teammates in the locker room. It's notable that I don't think I've seen any of his teammates rush to defend him.
    I'm thinking it was something between Ingram and Groulx. Wouldn't be the first time a player on the Crunch had a falling out with Groulx.

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  • The Great Zo
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    Syracuse has signed goalie Atte Tolvanen for the rest of the season. He just finished four years at Northern Michigan University.

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  • pete
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    Originally posted by The Great Zo View Post
    Ingram back to Orlando for the rest of the season.
    I don't have any inside information, but from the outside it appears he did something to violate the trust of his teammates in the locker room. It's notable that I don't think I've seen any of his teammates rush to defend him.

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  • The Great Zo
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    Ingram back to Orlando for the rest of the season.

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  • Jester47
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    Originally posted by pete View Post
    Ingram is back with Syracuse because Ouellette broke his leg in two places. Ouch.
    Ouch indeed... will be interesting to see how this plays out..

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  • pete
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    Ingram is back with Syracuse because Ouellette broke his leg in two places. Ouch.

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